Tetanus

[Larkshall]

crazy, you don't need these terrible vaccinations, it is all about fear factor and you'd be much worse if you knew what the tetanus jab was all about

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm

you need to think outside the box sometimes, just be sensible

Have you ever seen the effect of tetanus? When I worked on the farm we had a foal who contracted tetanus and had to be put down, it is not a pretty site. I had to help the Vet with it. I don't want to see it again.
If those people who refuse to have the anti-tetanus injections do contract tetanus then they should have to pay for their treament, not our hard strapped NHS service.

[Larkshall]

[Amazin]

Apparently immunisation takes 5 doses of vaccine.

[calendula]

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Have you ever seen the effect of tetanus? When I worked on the farm we had a foal who contracted tetanus and had to be put down, it is not a pretty site. I had to help the Vet with it. I don't want to see it again.
If those people who refuse to have the anti-tetanus injections do contract tetanus then they should have to pay for their treament, not our hard strapped NHS service.
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angry angry  :) I actually never partake of the nhs but believe it or not animals have different immuune systems to us and believe it or not again we are born with one of the best systems in the world (our own immune systems) and compromising that you do at your own peril - at best you get an immediate toxic reaction, at worst you get a messed up immune system that leads to all sorts of problems later in life which really does bend the strapped nhs - your choice but glad it isn't mine  :)

every one's immune system is different - 5 doses is a regulation put down by the drug companies, I cannot think of a reason why but $$$$$$$ comes to mind  ;)

[Amazin]

at best you get an immediate toxic reaction, at worst you get a messed up immune system that leads to all sorts of problems later in life

If that goes for everyone, then

every one's immune system is different

is surely a contradiction

:-\

[calendula]

at best you get an immediate toxic reaction, at worst you get a messed up immune system that leads to all sorts of problems later in life

If that goes for everyone, then

every one's immune system is different

is surely a contradiction

:-\

no, not a contradiction, we all have an immune system but will vary because we are all individuals but it is a system that most? people have compromised and from a very early age as well and the more you compromise it the worse it can be  :)

[Amazin]

Are you saying the tetanus vaccine doesn't work?

[calendula]

I'm trying to say a few things  :)

1) no-one can tell you that it does or does not work as there is absolutely no definitive test or way of knowing whether immunity occurs or not - so it asks the question, 'why have the vaccination?'

2) if anyone does allegedly have tetanus or dies from it then you would need extensive and expensive lab tests and autopsy tests to prove one way or another if they really do have it and even then there is no real proof as resistant spores can be found in domestic pets and humans and the outward expression of tetanus mimics quite a large number of other diseases - all very unreliable but the fear of it feeds even more fear and encourages people to think they need immunity

3) anyone taking the vaccination can be open to a nasty toxic reaction (you cannot always know if this is going to happen) and even if there is no obvious reaction from the vaccination the toxic matter has been placed within the body and the complications of antibodies can cause all manner of a compromise to an immune system - all vaccinations carry that threat, of toxic and unnecessary compromise to health

4) once an immune system is compromised then one is open to all manner of inherited disease coming to the fore as the body tries to deal with the toxicity that remains for a very long time - at best you might have someone who cannot fight off the slightest infection, for example

5) if you look at where tetanus is allegedly rampant, let's say the whole of Africa for example (extremely rare in Britain) then sadly politics comes into this big time - Africa being the dumping ground for all sorts of unlicensed or tested drugs so 'cooking the books' and saying tetanus is rampant there justifies the dumping of hoards of tetanus and other vaccinations, costing billions of dollars, money that could be spent on irrigation technology, food technology, shelter, clothes etc but the drug companies make obscene amounts of money in this and it is naive to imagine anything else

There is so much more but this is more than you asked  :) but I am just trying to get people to think and look outside the box and if one cares about what they put into their bodies then they need to ask the questions, do the research and think outside that box without accepting what we are told to think.  :)

[ceres]

Sorry, but that is just so much conspiracy theory mumbo-jumbo.  You've managed to turn a thread about a health risk to gardeners into a debate about third world politics.  I'm out of here.   

[Amazin]

Agree. It's a rant about big drugs companies, regardless of the original topic.

[calendula]

how strange, you've obviously not been reading - the original topic was a rant about putting toxic substances into your body and Ceres, for someone who went to great lengths to rant about toxic manure then I am surprised but overall not surprised that folk don't really care about what they do, they basically don't want to think about it - nothing to me so I'm out of here as well, people do get grumpy at this time of year  ;)

[OllieC]

I was told that a nurse who had a plot on our site a number of years ago died from tetanus due to.....  a cut she acquired on the plot that got soil in it...

I'm surprised that anyone thinks there's anything sinister about tetanus jabs, been around for years, tried & tested etc... Thought it was MMR we're sposed to be paranoid about.

I'm with Ceres - I pay my money & make my choice. I'm opting for the medical professionals opinion!

[Sparkly]

I am not saying that medical research is never biased. I actually did a pharmacology project on this at University, but scaremongering based on little scientific evidence is accountable for many choosing not to have vaccinations without a true informed choice.

at best you get an immediate toxic reaction, at worst you get a messed up immune system that leads to all sorts of problems later in life

Where is the scientific evidence that backs this up? Don't believe all you read. How do you know any of this "research" is valid?

[calendula]

I had unsubbed from this but keep getting the posts for some reason, so

Sparkly, there is a mass of info out there that would help you make decisions about this and if you contact me off list I will send some of it to you but as you can see the few people who are reading this actually want to consume toxic material and I don't think it is worth my time posting useful information any more

Of course there is all the other potentially dangerous material that goes into the vaccination such as formaldehyde, aluminium, mercury etc and also there is a risk of infection from contamination from the human serum used but what the heck, we love this stuff, let's put it on our cereals  :)

then maybe you could supply absolute scientific proof that immunity occurs after all these shots, you won't be able to, I know that for a fact already, so not only do people take this stuff but they aren't immune even then

bye

[Larkshall]

I cannot think of a reason why but $$$$$$$ comes to mind  ;)

Ah! I notice that the $ is used, in the UK we do not have the vast space of some other countries and so the likelyhood of contracting tetanus is higher. I can understand the reluctance of people not fortunate enough to have an NHS like ours and where you have to pay out every time you want something.

[Sparkly]

I had unsubbed from this but keep getting the posts for some reason, so

Sparkly, there is a mass of info out there that would help you make decisions about this and if you contact me off list I will send some of it to you but as you can see the few people who are reading this actually want to consume toxic material and I don't think it is worth my time posting useful information any more

Of course there is all the other potentially dangerous material that goes into the vaccination such as formaldehyde, aluminium, mercury etc and also there is a risk of infection from contamination from the human serum used but what the heck, we love this stuff, let's put it on our cereals  :)

then maybe you could supply absolute scientific proof that immunity occurs after all these shots, you won't be able to, I know that for a fact already, so not only do people take this stuff but they aren't immune even then

bye

There no such thing as scientific proof. Science cannot prove anything, only give evidence towards a hypothesis. Your statement that immunity won't occur in everyone is obviously likely to be true. No treatment is likely can work for 100% of people. Each individual's immune system shows variation. In any way, that claim would be impossible to measure. Drugs trials are actually very stringent. Yes, not 100%, what is? All that can be done is to work out statistical risk and calculate whether any risk is acceptable.  The people who make these judgements are educated in their field and are also held accountable for their decisions. What I find difficult to understand is how bias are used in how science is presented to the public. It is very easy to manipulate data and use this emotionally. This does lead to scaremongering. Tabloids are unbelievable in this respect. I am all for people being able to make their own decisions, but to make these they need access to unbiased evidence and the ability to understand and analyse this evidence. I was not in any case trying to say you are wrong. We all make our judgements based on the evidence we are supplied with.  

[Carol]

I, for one, do not like putting unnecessary drugs into my system.  I have got by so far in my 61 years.  However, I am thinking about people with suppressed immune systems who couldn't cope with taking tetanus on top of their illnesses.  Surely they would be wise to have jabs if they are unfortunate to cut themselves. 

[Larkshall]

I start from the premise that all journalists are liars, some worse than others.

[Amazin]

as you can see the few people who are reading this actually want to consume toxic material

what the heck, we love this stuff, let's put it on our cereals

You didn't bother to check that at no point have I expressed a preference for or against having the vaccine myself. That's ranting.

What next - a ducking stool?